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Stalked by the is an August 8, 2005 By: Kristen J @ 10:51 pm Category: Mormon Culture/Practices I am not good with sales people whether they come to my door or they call me on the phone. I try to be nice despite my extreme annoyance but it is very hard. My husband is very good with sales people who initiate contact with us. I think it was his years on a mission that make him more compassionate in this area than I am. Some of the sales people I am most irritated with are those who use my religious affiliation to get me to buy their products. Let me tell you of an experience I had just last week. Its mid-afternoon and Im going about my daily business, laundry, dirty diapers, entertaining and feeding all of the neighborhood children. Im not expecting much today, just the normal stuff. Suddenly I hear a very friendly and adult sounding knock at my door. Hey, I think to myself, somebodys comin to chat, this could be fun. I open my door to a very clean cut, twenty-something, young man. Down at his feet I see, no! Please, anything but thathis duffel bag has is an embroidered on it. I think Im feeling faint. He gets a smile on his face, takes a big breath, but I hurriedly shout, Ive already seen your presentation and were not interested! Still smiling is an Guy (LSG) says, Well, when did you last hear our presentation? Uh, when we lived in California, I reply. Let me come in and show you some of the latest things weve added to our program in the last couple of months. No really, Im not interested, I try to sound a bit more forceful. I think about closing the door but I worry hell stick his foot in the door and start shouting about the new US presidents line theyve come up with. I want to tell him that my family doesnt believe in going in debt over a series of animated videos but I dont think this will affect him in anyway. Luckily I can see in his eyes that he believes me. Whew, I think, Im off the hook. Wait, hes not finished, Do you know anyone in the neighborhood I can talk to about my videos? No, I reply. The person who gave you my name probably gave you the same names that I would tell you. I dont have any names, he states. Really, I dont know anyone. He looks like he doesnt believe me. I throw out the name of a family down the street and hope they will understand and forgive me for what I have done. I quickly shut the door and heave a sigh of relief The next morning Im going about my daily business, laundry, dirty diapers, entertaining and feeding all of the neighborhood children. Suddenly I hear a friendly and adult sounding knock at my door. Sweet, I think, someone wants to chat. I throw open my door and aaaggghhh, its LSG! How can this be, what horrific things did I do in a previous life? He gets a big grin on his face and say, Sister Johnston Dude, you were just at my house LAST NIGHT. He looks perplexed (I think its an act), Here, I came here? Wow, are you sure? Yes, Im very sure, I state. Gee, I must have a terrible memory, says LSG. Yes, you were here and were just not interested. I quietly shut the door and hopefully this chapter in my life. Comments (244) 244 Comments Hey, when those Orkin guys come around to try to sell you a deal on the injection system service because their trucks are in the neighborhood, theyre probably Mormons too. Trust me, their trucks are always in the neighborhood. When I was a kid I loved those cartoons. Still have the first one memorized, Youre always sticking up for NEPHI!, What does the Lord want this time?, Get out of my house, ROBBER! GUARDS!! The sales techniques probably arent very ethical, but the videos are pretty good for kids. Comment by Rusty August 9, 2005 @ 7:01 am You know what I hate? Its those punk teenagers that come to your door telling you they are trying to raise money to go to Disneyland or Magic Mtn by selling the newspaper. Nope, not interested, I say. What about just the Sunday paper? Nope, not interested. Well how about just a donation??? they counter. I feel like saying, Dude! Magic Mtn is $25 bucks with a coupon. You cant come up with $25 bucks?!?! It drives me crazy. Comment by Jamie J August 9, 2005 @ 8:09 am Sister Johnson Right there I would have asked him how he fealt about priestcraft, let him know that he would likly burn in hell and that regardless of how nice the product is, I could never purchase from the Dark Side. Comment by J. Stapley August 9, 2005 @ 10:22 am Yeah, one of those fellows came by our door a month ago. I successfully got through five or six variations on no, Im really not interested, without losing my composure, and he went away. It was an exercise in patience which I managed to pass. You can guess what I would have said had I lost it. Maybe: Sonny, people who use the Church network as nothing more than a list of sales contacts ought to be excommunicated. Except for real estate agents. And life insurance agents. And maybe multi-level marketing schemes, although thats a close one. I think these gospel salesmen prey on the unwillingness of LDS members to get angry with fellow Mormons. Comment by Dave August 9, 2005 @ 10:50 am You know, I would love to buy the videos but Im unwilling to spend $2000+ dollars on the set. Im not sure I could overcome my annoyance at being exploited for my beliefs in the church to actually buy them though. My friend said she and her husband almost got divorced when her husband signed up for the videos. She said when she called up to cancel their contract she was told that the only way you could get out of it was to have someone buy your contract from you. She eventually ended up paying off the dang videos (or so she thought). A month or so later she got another bill so she called the company up and they informed her that she only paid off what she had received so far and that she still had 6 more videos left in her contract to purchase. My friend said she would not be kind to any LSGs that showed up at her door in the future. Comment by Kristen J August 9, 2005 @ 10:59 am Heres their website: .www.isan.com/ Their motto is: Teaching values. Changing lives. There are several ways to interpret that. The values they teach obviously arent LDS values, since the Church explicitly forbids the use of ward lists for merchandising or sales pitches. Im offended they splash LDS images all over their web pages. I guess the primary value they teach is that moral principles or rules can be freely ignored in the quest to make money NOT a value most Mormons want to teach their kids (or anyone, for that matter). If Id heard your story and reflected on things a bit before LSG showed up at my door, I would have taken a different approach. First, enter into friendly conversation, in order to obtain his real name and home town. Then report his activities to my bishop, with a request that he contact the offending LSG reps bishop, requesting that action be taken to stop him from using LDS membership information as part of their commercial operation. Too harsh? Seems like the official way to do things. Comment by Dave August 9, 2005 @ 1:05 pm I absolutley despise anyone who comes up to me, either on the street or to my home looking for money. Its this dang capitlistic economy of ours I tells ya! Rusty, My favorite line (aside from the goofiness of Lemuel, of course) is when Nephi tells Sam he believes their father after he prayed about it and Sam says Of COURSE Nephi! Fathers a prophet! Just goes to show you how much more faithful Sam was then Nephi, I suppose>:p Comment by Bret August 9, 2005 @ 1:28 pm Kristen didnt even mention the part about our neighbor staring down some guy that appeared to be casing the neighborhood. Then his eight year old son said, Thats the guy that came up to us when we were playing and asked where the Mormons in the neighborhood lived. My neighbor was pretty ticked at his son for even talking to some weirdo/stranger on the street. Comment by Geoff J August 10, 2005 @ 10:14 am is an has a negative approach. You have to sign up to the 2 year program. I offered the rep that visited my house to pay cash today for the whole set and he said that they cannot do it that way. He wanted a credit card and a two year commitment. Seemed crazy to me. Comment by leonard August 11, 2005 @ 8:18 am Ha! That is ridiculous. How do these people stay in business? Comment by Geoff J August 11, 2005 @ 8:24 am They need to lower the prices and maybe I would buy them. If they did, they could probalbly lose the salespeople as well. I prefer Veggie-tales not because I dont like is an, but I pay $9.00 for a half hour bible styory that is decently written instead of $30.00 for a half hour video that is decently written but 20+ years old. Plus with V-tales I dont have salespeople at my door. Comment by Gilgamesh August 11, 2005 @ 3:23 pm Yes, we are huge veggie-tales fans here at our house Comment by Kristen J August 11, 2005 @ 5:47 pm You guys are funnyI am asuming that you have never heard of Mormon Doctrine, Stand a Little Taller, or buy anything from Deseret bookstore. I dont see any Church logo on those but I am sure you wont mind reading from those.Is that using the religion? LSGS dont use ward list and if they do they will get fired!! Just prove it to the company! Sorry that you feel that way. They dont prey on Mormons because they dont think that they will not get mad. Mormons are still human after allobviously!! J. Stapley Dark Side?? Burn in hell?? Priestcraft??? Thats a little extreme!! You should double check what side you consider the Good side. If is an is the Dark Side then the dark side helped produced a movie that is showing in most temple visitor centers, the Joseph Smith movie!! You should check it out, its phenomenal..for a movie from the dark side. Oh yeah, Dave, sorry to burst your bubble but the church dont work that way!! You cant just request something done about somebodys membershipThat is not the official way the church do things. Dont tell people thats how the church works please. Dont get me wrong, I understand most of your concerns and youre entitle to them but I am hoping to clear some misunderstandings. Church is true!!! Comment by Bill July 10, 2006 @ 11:05 pm Bill, Sometimes people exaggerate to make a point. I doubt if anyone here would have a problem with people buying is an productions online or at a retail outlet. It is relatively high pressure, direct sales techniques that get people agitated. I am a member of the Republican Party, but when their fundraisers call me on the phone I know better than to give them the time of day. Comment by Mark Butler July 11, 2006 @ 9:53 am I have the PERFECT way to get rid of a LSGs. First of all, point out that their company is a for-profit company. Then whip out 2 Nephi 26:29. In my opinion theyve got the whole priestcraft thing going onmaking money off the gospel. Yuck. If that doesnt work, point out that most of their videos are created by NEST Entertainment, who has Ed Decker (yeah, the Guy who created the Godmaker videos and is the founder of Saints Alive: an anti-mormon ministry) on their advisory board. Decker even brags on the internet: They gave me the power to review every video, book and workbook they had produced. Any LDS doctrine that I found present would be taken out, videos redone, reissued and all the booklets, etc., with such material scrapped. (.wholesomefamilyentertainment.com/nfart.html) Tell them you prefer to study the plain and precious truths of the gospel and dont appreciate a watered down version. If necessary, have them pop in a New Testament/Old Testament video to show them the NEST Entertainment logo then turn on the computer and refer to the NEST Entertainment advisor page on their website. (..nestentertainment../store/pc/viewContent.asp?idpage=3) Who knows you may even make the LSGs reassess why theyre working for this unscrupulous .pany. .ment by Tiffany August 22, 2006 @ 8:41 pm I agree with the person who had the divorce story. is an is making a big mistake in the way it slithers in. When I signed up, I worked as a contractor for Nest selling videos they sold on TV. They had a the situation that you could cancel at any time. When the lady on Main Street in Manti during the Mormon Miracle Pageant sold me on them I asked her if it was the same deal. She said it was, that I could cancel at anytime. Then as I went to read the fine print, she said something cute about that just says youll have family home evening every night. She didnt say, Youre locked in as long as we can lock you in, or you only got 90 days to view a video and replace it, if its defective. The flag should have went up there, but at the time, I felt I could replace the cable TV with them, and still keep my wife happy who wanted them really bad. Now its just on a long list of financial decisions I made. Im accountable for them. But let this be a warning to all. These guys are helping people put themselves $2,000 in debt. What have the brethern told us. Get out of debt. Thats what Im doing. Im an honest man. I will pay my is an debt off. But, I warn all that they do not stand for LDS values. Anyone that encourages you into $1000 to $2000 dollar contract and lies through their teeth doing it, isnt representative of the LDS Church or its values. Beware this traps, brothers and sisters. If you feel the same. Voice it on this forum, and send me an email to: [email protected] David Paystrup .ment by David Paystrup December 4, 2006 @ 5:45 pm I heartily agree with the .ment above by David. I bought a few is an videos from a woman selling them on craigslist.org. They were $5 a piece. I started looking for the official LS website so that I could buy the ones that were missing. I quickly realized that this is little more than fraud, designed to ensare unsuspecting trustful people. For an alternative to plopping your kids in front of a video produced by an unscrupulous .pany to teach your children the scripture stories, why not sit down with your little ones with a book, or buy the Gospel Art Kit at the distribution center and talk about the pictures and the an that are on the back? Children learn better while interacting with a grownup anyway. .ment by Kristy December 19, 2006 @ 3:29 pm I was dumb enough to subscribe for these videos years agoand Im still paying for it..literally!!!I wish I never would have done it..there billing dates are always changing, I never know when Im going to recieve a bill..it costs them under a dollar to send me a video but yet they charge me almost 5 dollarsIm struggling financially but they dont seem to care. Im not saying they are not a good product, but if I could go back I would defanately not have subscribed! .ment by Becky December 31, 2006 @ 3:48 pm I grew up with these wonderful videos. Not only do I appreciate how they taught me the stories in the an, but I appreciate how they helped me to understand the whole spirit of them. My parents were low on money when they bought these videos for our family and ever since then they have been very grateful that they made that decision. The messages that were taught have helped me to want to .e closer to Christ. That which persuades man to do good and love God is of God. The prices of these videos may be higher than regular videos, but they are well worth it. Also, I dont know everything about the founders and who is on the board of directors, but I again, I know these videos are good. May God bless all. .ment by Caleb Kriser January 26, 2007 @ 10:09 am You might think KSL is priest craft and that is just fine; you probably do not have these videos in your home or you would feel differently. All I know is if we dont support .panies like is an there wont be any good products on the market for our families. Only pornograghy and other garbage. So you put your money where you want but I am thankful their are people who will invest their money into products like these and we need more .panies just like them!!! .ment by Scott February 14, 2007 @ 1:31 pm I actually have the is an, I bought them on e-bay for $20 for a set of 8 videos out of the NT lineup. So I will support a product like is an. I will not, however, support a .pany like is an. Id rather buy garbage from an honest man than quality material* from a piece of garbage. _________________________________ *- Jurys still out on that one. .ment by Matt W. February 14, 2007 @ 2:22 pm I hope everyone of you bashing is an has never boughten anything from DESERET BOOK or SEAGULL BOOK, or any other church book store, cuz that is exactly what they are doing. Making money off quality products. It aint preistcraft, if you dont like their methods of marketing(door-to-door sales) simply be a good christain and tell the salesman your not interested. Its a little childish to bash the .pany that has put a lot of time and effort and money, to try to make a product that is an alternative to the garbage that your letting your kids watch, or that you are watching. The church is very aware of the .pany, and the legal issues with using ward lists. Every summer the church lawyers and the vice president of sales for KSL, has lots of conversations. Ward lists are forbidden, that doesnt mean some dishonest salesmen might use one from time to time. That makes the salesman dishonest, not the .pany. Many families love these videos and continually rebuy them, when they .e out with new dvd versions, because they know investing in what your children watche, really pays off. The church does say you should go into debt for education, and a home.Have you ever been educated and spiritually moved or prompted by a video that the church put outi have.and is an has collaborated and help make lots of movies with the LDS church. So dont think that the church is against KSL when they work together to try to bring some good wholesome media to this nation that is struggling morally, because of all the other bad media out there. .ment by jack March 20, 2007 @ 4:17 pm I own the whole set of is Scripture movies. I bought it years ago on VHS and would like to be able to own the DVDs but I dont want to get into the contract deal again. I wish they would just offer the movies singly and allow people to buy one at a time when they are able to. 相关的主题文章: